The Art of Modern Ops

Today, we’re really excited to announce the launch of our brand new podcast series called The Art Of Modern Ops; hosted by Cornelia Davis, Weaveworks CTO, and author of Cloud Native Patterns. Through a series of interviews with both visionaries and practitioners, Cornelia discusses hands-on use cases with those who have completed the cloud native transformation and others still in transition.


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We are honoured that our very first episode features Liz Rice, VP Open Source Engineering at Aqua Security and Chair of the CNCF’s Technical Oversight Committee.

Episode 1: Navigating the Kubernetes hype cycle

Anyone who looks at the growth of Kubecon CloudNativeCon attendance over the past four years can recognize that Kubernetes is more than a passing fad. Instead, Kubernetes represents the way forward for companies to scale, go faster and be competitive. Many question whether we’ve achieved ‘peak Kubecon’.

Listen in as Cornelia Davis and Liz Rice discuss the current state of cloud native, its ecosystem of projects and how the CNCF can help you navigate the complexity of piecing together a Kubernetes solution that’s right for your team.

Most organizations find open source software appealing because of the choice it offers. However there are tradeoffs; an abundance of choice can also increase complexity. An ideal situation would consist of an integrated plug and play solution with open source standards and solutions. One of the most pressing questions is whether we'll see a more integrated solution for delivering Kubernetes in the enterprise versus a straight do yourself approach.

“The core functionality of cloud native is run on open source…and being open source raises both the quality and the agility of the projects themselves. For example, if a community of people want to change something, they have the ability to make that change happen right away. It’s really powerful stuff.” -- Liz Rice, VP Open Source Engineering - Aqua Security

What is the role of the CNCF in managing the complex Kubernetes landscape?

“When projects in the CNCF graduate we really want that to be a signal to say ‘hey industry’, this is a project or a set of software tools that you can trust. Once a project is graduated, we at the CNCF think that this project is a good bet for you to build your systems or your software deployment on top of.”

CNCF graduated projects though, are only part of the Kubernetes solution. Prometheus, Kubernetes, Helm are some big projects that have graduated. They are mature enough for production use, but they don’t give organizations all that they need to run a complete platform. They certainly don’t provide you with an out-of-the-box solution.

The other thing that the CNCF is trying to relay is that they don’t think there is a single solution or a single silver bullet. “We think that you are going to have to make some choices depending on what it is you need to do around your environment or what your specific requirements are,” says Liz. Ultimately the CNCF is there to help enterprises navigate the complexity of the Kubernetes ecosystem and to bring some order to what is ready for production and what might not be quite there yet.

“There are currently only about nine graduated projects. What is the end goal? How many projects do we expect to end up with?’ asks Cornelia.

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